High Court suggests Christian beliefs harmful to children
In a landmark judgment, handed down on Monday 28th February, the High Court has suggested that Christians with traditional views on sexual ethics are unsuitable as foster carers, and that homosexual ‘rights’ trump freedom of conscience in the UK.
The Judges stated that Christian beliefs on sexual ethics may be ‘inimical’ to children, and they implicitly upheld an Equalities and Human Rights Commission submission that children risk being ‘infected’ by Christian moral beliefs.
Today's judgment strongly affirms homosexual rights over freedom of conscience and leaves the Johns currently unable to foster a child as desired, despite their proven track record as foster parents.
There now appears to be nothing to stop the increasing bar on Christians who wish to adopt or foster children but who are not willing to compromise their beliefs. The summary contained in the judgment sends out the clear message that Christian ethical beliefs are potentially harmful to children and that Christian parents with mainstream Christian views are not suitable to be considered as potential foster parents as this does not accord with diversity and equality policies.
The Johns are being represented by the Christian Legal Centre.
Posted by Tim Pearson
posted by Sandra on 28-02-2011
Who said that Christians are not being persecuted in this country! This decision is totally unacceptable and will give further boost to the gay community. Watch out Church leaders you are next!
posted by Jon M on 01-03-2011
How ridiculous,if they were muslim or any other religion, the pathetic judges wouldn't dare to pass such a judgement, I am not any religion, in fact if I were to choose one it would be Buddism, but I think Christians are the most persicuted section of our society today, if the liberals get there way there will be more of this, we need to get out of europe, change the human rights laws to one that we can live sensibly by and then we can all get back using our commen sense again!if we did this ruling would not have been passed!
posted by Sean on 01-03-2011
What a disgrace. The judge suggests 'Children may be infected by Christian moral beliefs''...He would rather have parents say to their boy or girl ''It is normal to be sexually attracted to your own sex''. This country used to have a stronger sense of Christian values...And that is how the country was built. Built on strong foundations by honourable men and woman. Today...People who have no faith in God do not generally want to work, the younger generation are lazy, parents are lazy...They watch tv and live in la la land thinking its normal to watch trashy tv everyday and listen to trashy music on the raido constantly which is all about sex sex sex and me me me. Well...I can tell you this much...If we lived even 50% of our lives in accordance with Christian values, the people in this country would not only be much wiser...but also happier, healthier and more wealthy. But people are ignorant and too quick to judge as has happened in this disgraceful instance.
posted by not suprised on 01-03-2011
This realy does beggar belief. If this is the view about christianity in a fundamentally christian country with a christian monarch(the last I heard the Queen was still head of the Church of England!)then we may as well all give up now. I don't practice any religion but do believe in christian values,Lots of Brit's have died to defend them. Evidently it's "God save our Gracious Queen" but not our children! Christian beliefs harmful. I think someone should enlighten the high court to the fact that they are a court of a christian Queen and that the beliefs of some other religions could be more harmful.
posted by JAMES MILLER on 01-03-2011
The downward road is crowded with unbelieving souls
posted by Tobias on 01-03-2011
How can you say that it is a bad decision when you have just proved the point Sandra. God doesn\'t work by discrimination but by education and learning to live with your fellow man, woman, ape, dog, cat...you get the point. Another let down in \'our\' religious community.
posted by notsogullible on 01-03-2011
Britain lost its way years ago. It is now a morally bankrupt society. How much longer will it be before Christianity is outlawed? There is a cancer spreading throughout Britain. But make no mistake there will come a time when people will have to answer for their actions.
posted by A Saint on 01-03-2011
If a gay couple who adopt believe that Christianity is wrong - would they be allowed to adopt? Answer: yes they would. This world is just for a moment until the day when the lord of Lords and the king of Kings will return and rules the nations with a rod of iron. In that day the answer to the above question will be no - because there wont be any homosexuals in that day. Don't get consumed within the emotion of this argument. One day we will have our way, and it wont be just for one moment.
posted by James on 01-03-2011
This is the right decision. Children should be given the freedom to think for themselves and be who they want to be. They therefore need to be protected from people who wont be able to give them that freedom.
posted by Gerry McDonnell on 01-03-2011
"We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel. This confrontation lies within the plans of Divine Providence; it is a trial which the whole Church must take up. It is a trial of not only of the Church, but in a sense a test of 2000 years of culture and Christian civilization, with all of its consequences for human dignity, individual rights, human rights and the rights of nations." Cardinal Carol Wojtyla, Archbishop of Krakow, Poland, at the Eucharistic Congress, Philadelphia, PA, August 13, 1976 (2 years later elected Pope John Paul II).
posted by Save humanity on 01-03-2011
It is amazing how a predominately Christian country, and "the" country who propagated the "Christian" message around the world, and who has followed "Christian" values from generations past, has instituted such acts against Christianity and Christians. It is clearly not natural and in nature for people to be homo-sexual. Heterosexual behavior is natural behavior, it terms of human nature, human biology, and human physiology. What is going on in the world! Next there will be a law allowing people to have SEX with ANIMALS; and allow FAMILY MEMBERS to have SEX with FAMILY MEMBERS; and next there will be freedom for CHILDREN of ANY AGE by there own decision have SEX. TOO BE HONEST, THE LINE NEEDS TO BE DRAWN INTELLIGENTLY. HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT "NATURAL" - ITS A FACT. It's not just Christian values. There is a creator of the universe who expects us, his children, to act responsibilly.
posted by Andrew P on 01-03-2011
A victory for the right of children not to be indoctrinated.
posted by John on 01-03-2011
We are living in truly perilous times - when right is now wrong and wrong is becoming the norm. It never ceases to amaze me that true Christianity has always been sidelined when the word "tolerant" is being expressed. The Romans persecuted Christians, and now the West in it's hypothetical Christian courtroom hypocrisy and political correctness is doing it again.
posted by Ben on 01-03-2011
I totally agree Sandra. When will the UK people see that gay vulnerable children need to feel that their behaviour is unwelcome. Thank the Lord that their are foster parents who want to let gay teens know that they are unnatural. And thank this website for showing that ordinary fold don't want scientific evidence when we can form our opinions based on our deeply held emotions
posted by Alan on 01-03-2011
It's beyond belief that a gay pop star is allowed to adopt a baby along with his homosexual partner and yet These two obviously caring people are denied that right
posted by J Mortimer on 01-03-2011
Of course Christian beliefs are harmful to children, how is terrifying children with visions of burning in hell good for them? How is teaching them about talking snakes and talking bushes educating them for the better? Putting this sort of nonsense into children's heads is clearly bad for them and is immoral, the high court has clearly made a good decision.
posted by Michael thomson on 01-03-2011
Christian country? Why do we swear on the bible in court if christianity is so bad
posted by Paul on 01-03-2011
Hello, I have no religous beliefs whatsoever but do respect that the Christian ideal is one of kindness based on what can only be considered, sensible moral views. However, I am not anti-gay, but I have no comprehension how the legal system could possibly put what is basically an unnatural act over a moderate religion. Something is completely wrong here.
posted by Chris Banks on 01-03-2011
It is misleading to suggest "Christian belief" is harmful. Not all Christians believe homosexuality is wrong. For "traditional", you may consider the term "old-fashioned". Any child brought up in a climate of intolerance is not being brought up in the Christian spirit of love.
posted by Mike Rotch on 01-03-2011
It is simply a case of this so called Religion, archaic as it is, refusing to adapt to modern times, beliefs and values and instead upholding ancient, draconian values that are stalling the progress of real, secular society.
posted by Patricia on 01-03-2011
This ruling absolutely beggars belief! Totally unacceptable. I wonder if the family wanting to foster were muslim, hindu, seikh or Jewish if the same rules would apply. Christians are being persecuted in our country so what hope for them in Iran or Saudi Arabia?
posted by Skyan on 01-03-2011
The government is persecuting us all. Step by step we are all being 'criminalised'. This is the process by which the government seeks to cement it's control over us. I was just getting used to being a potential terrorist. Now take my son to nursery with a bruise on his face and it seems I'm a potential child abuser. Where did this come from? Errmm playing? he is a kid for crying out loud. Surely if this is now standard procedure as they claim they will be questioning every parent because all children end up with scrapes and bruises. It seems we have been conditioned to just accept this. Once we have given government absolute power to protect children from their own parents, as we seem to have come remarkably close to doing all of a sudden, how are we going to protect our children from the government. History shows this is where their greatest threat lies.
posted by charles on 01-03-2011
It is a shame that homosexual judges are perverting the law of UK in the name of social justice, the judgment UK legal jurist and judges are giving will destroy the future of this nation if not checked,this land is under threat.People of faith should shout louder.
posted by Sam on 01-03-2011
Ever heard of neighbours from hell? Evidently seeing judges from the pit of hell!
posted by John Waters on 01-03-2011
A difficult and sensitive decision, but a correct decision in my personal opinion. As person who was adopted as a child I think that the High court is completely justified in it\'s decision. Raising a child in a discrimatory environment is potentially harmful on both the child and others around him/her. Although I accept that traditional Christian beliefs teach love, friendship and compassion, this conflicts with the traditional Christian beliefs on homosexuality. I do feel a certain amount of sympathy for the two potential foster parents in the High court hearing as they have obviously proved they are capable, loving foster parents. However, rasing a child in an environment that disciminates against Homosexuality is both irresponsible and potentially damaging; what if they fostered a child who was a homosexual? You see my point of course.
posted by riff severn on 02-03-2011
If you want Christians who also embrace homosexuality then you need to make your own religion and your own god. This is because the God of the Bible is 'old fashioned' and is 'very discriminating' when it comes to behavior. Yahweh God said homosexuality is wrong and He does not change like the shifting shadows unlike the dying morality of modern Britain. If you want a true Christian to embrace homosexuality hell will freeze over first.
posted by seathanaich on 02-03-2011
This is excellent news, and it's good to see a legal system establishing useful criteria for who should be barred from fostering children. Religious fundamentalists who are fostering so that they can disseminate their obsolete religious immorality should rightly not be considered suitable fostering candidates. A child who has been fostered is already emotionally vulnerable - filling his/her head with anti-gay bigotry is no longer acceptable.
posted by David Andrews on 02-03-2011
OK seathanaich, so judging by your standards, it is better to put a child who is likely to be heterosexual (as only 2% of people in this country are gay) and bring this child up to believe that it is OK to have same sex relationship? (Which is unnatural by any standards). It is a proven fact that gay relationship spilt up faster than any other relationship and that committed Christians stay together longer. Therefore it is in the Childs best interest because of stability to place them with a Christian couple. As you say, if a child is already emotionally vulnerable, why pervert them even more?
posted by John Waters on 03-03-2011
I wouldn't want my own religion or my own god; I agree with Richard Dawkins that religion is damaging and destructive, just look at the middle-east! I find it ironic and hypocritical that some Christians would say that their religion is being discriminated against when Christianity has been responsible for more discrimination over the last 2000 years then all other religions combined; when the first crusaders captured Jerusalem they butchered every Jew and Muslim in the city. Before this happened Jerusalem was under the control of The Egyptian Caphilate (Muslims), and at least they had the decency to practice religious tolerance towards other faiths. All you have to do is look at history to see that religion is ultimately flawed and completely inflexible with todays post-modernistic, individualistic society. Homosexuals have a lawful right to be allowed to live their lives without discrimination and intimidation from out-dated belief systems; they do not CHOOSE to be homosexual, they ARE homosexual. Christianity is not being discriminated against, its merely fading out because we live in a increasingly secular society that values logic and fact over superstition.
posted by martin on 03-03-2011
Children should be given the freedom to think for themselves and be who they want to be!!!!!! So you want children to embrace wickedness in their lifes, cant you see how far the world has gone due to PC and Tolerance? The trouble with this world is that we are heading in the wrong way, but off course I can't say anything because it would be classed as a hate crime - how can the created accuse their Creator of hate crimes? Satan lives people, wake up!
posted by John F on 04-03-2011
Oh dear, oh dear, so religeon is the source of bigotry and discrimination! When will athieists learn to look at history. Cambodia, Russia, China, north Korea, various comunist revolutioaries all followed the evolutionry creed of people don't matter only the cause does and so butchered millions of their peole who dared to 'question' the regiem. Strange those who 'question' the rule of evolution and political correctness also are 'suspect' in todays world, is it because only one intolerant view is allowed.
posted by Jordan on 04-03-2011
To be perfectly honest, children are not adopted or fostered in the first place to be giving different views or sexual orientation views. They are there because they need a home, a place to stay, parents. When did it become a crime to tell your children your beliefs? Most families do, they take there children to churchs, mosques and other places to express faith. Why is it different in this circumstance? I dont think many parents tell their 3 year olds about gay relationships or any relationship in fact! Because they are children.
posted by obj on 08-03-2011
posted by Andrew P on 01-03-2011 A victory for the right of children not to be indoctrinated What crap they will now be indoctinated by people who fail to understand the very basics of biology and the natural order of the world - i.e. Gay community. You merely swap the rhetoric to the hands of a loud minority. When are we going to learn from our past. Too much power in the hands of too few always ends up in a loss of freedom for the majority. In the last days men will become lovers of self... They will swap good for evil and evil for good. In the words of Bob Dylan - "you gotta serve somebody" If you aint serving the Lord then you are serving the devil
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